The Fort Hood Shooter: Crazy Terrorist or Good Muslim?
Yesterday 39 year old U.S. Army psychiatrist Nidal Malik Hasan opened fire at Fort Hood, Texas, killing 12 and injuring 30.
Hasan is comatose and on a ventilator as authorities try to piece together a motive or motives for the seemingly indiscrimate slaughter at the military base.
Hasan has been described as a devout Muslim and the questions are being raised once again about the radical side of Islam.
Today’s guest-host is Steve Noble, Christian activist and national radio talk show host Steve is founder and chairman of Called 2 Action, a grassroots organization making waves and upsetting liberals since 2004. He’s also host of the radio program “Called 2 Action This Week” .
On today’s program Steve talks with Bill Federer, author of “What Every American Needs To Know About The Qur’an.”
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15 Comments on “The Fort Hood Shooter: Crazy Terrorist or Good Muslim?”
Isn’t it a tab bit early to be judging this man in such a manner?
The guy who shot Dr. Tiller. Crazy terrorist or good Christian?
Its not too early to deal with the fact that Islam is NOT a peaceful religion…and the fact that this man’s actions would be regarded as NOBLE by Muhammad himself is indeed a valid point, is it not?
The guy who shot Tiller was not in line with the teachings of the Bible. The guy who killed 13 and wounded 30 at Fort Hood WAS in line with the teachings of the Qu’ran.
I understand not wanting to “jump to conclusions”…Hasan could well be just a mental basketcase, but if he isn’t then we must deal with the fact that Islam says “Way to Go” when it sees his actions…remember the Muslims cheering on 9/11?
Finally, I don’t want any of us to hate Muslims…on the contrary, we need to LOVE them. Remember: the vast majority of Muslims, just like Christians, really don’t know what “their book’ teaches.
Gurgus: “The guy who shot Dr. Tiller. Crazy terrorist or good Christian?”
Now I understand your thinking…..it is faulty. You have just violated the Law of the excluded middle. Just because two things contain the same element does not make them the same. You are suggesting that because the man that shot Dr. Tiller is a terrorist and not a Muslim then he must be a Christian terrorist since Christian are opposed to abortion. Your faulty thinking is legion and you sound as crazy as the man that shot Dr. Tiller. Let me explain, the Law of the excluded middle exposes the rediculous claims. For example: Elephants have ears. I have ears therefore I am an elephant.
Let’s assume that Tiller’s killer is a Christian and was motivated by his worldview. One easily sees the law of the excluded middle come into play by your allegations.
In addition to this there is absolutely no concrete evidence that this man acted out of a distorted Christian Worldview. I know very little about this man, but I have found this gem from Wikipedia:
“In the six months prior Roeder’s arrest, he said he had worked for an airport shuttle service, a party-rental shop, a convenience store and a property management enterprise.[16]
After his arrest, Roeder’s ex-wife, Lindsey Roeder, explained to reporters that there was mental illness in his background: “When he was 19 or 20, he was diagnosed at that time with possible schizophrenia. I don’t think he’s schizophrenic. I think he’s obsessive. I think he’s bipolar.”[17] As the lead-in to that interview, CNN correspondent Gary Tuchman reported,
“ We also got our hands on some legal papers in which Scott Roeder wanted more visitation time with a little girl he said he fathered five years ago. Well, the mother of this little girl went back to the court and said she did not want Roeder near this child because Roeder was schizophrenic, she said, and was not taking his medication. And she was afraid that Roeder would kidnap this little girl.[17] The 2005 Pennsylvania family court which ruled on Roeder’s custody petition regarding a daughter born in 2002 took formal notice that Roeder had been diagnosed with possible schizophrenia and was not on medication.[18] ”
The Associated Press quoted Roeder’s brother, David, who said that Scott had suffered from mental illness from time to time….”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_George_Tiller
Apparently mental illness was this man’s basic problem. Islam is not a peaceful religion. That was made obvious when 3,000 people died on 9-11 and much of the Muslim world celebrated. I know of no other RELIGION that glorifies homicidial bombers that kill innocent people. The closest I could come to is the IRA and its conflict with the Protestants in Northern Ireland. I do not recall the Vatican or any Protestant churches celebrating the violence there.
You have a funny way of showing that Christians are to LOVE Muslims, Mr. Noble. I am not getting that message from your comments, and not all Muslims cheered the September 11th. attack.
If and when Mr.Hasan awakes from his coma then perhaps we will learn more about his motivations and can make a better judgment.
Gurgus, you may be interested in reading the posts within the show titled “How Should Christians Respond To The Murder Of “Tiller the Killer” June 1st. 2009, listed under category title “Uncategorized”.
Steve: “and the fact that this man’s actions would be regarded as NOBLE by Muhammad himself is indeed a valid point, is it not?”
Um, no. There is, historically no reason to believe this. Just like the Bible, the Qur’an can be interpreted in many ways. Some say it is extremely violent, others extremely peaceful. Its all in the way you interpret the text and understand it within its own cultural-historical time frame.
What passage in the Koran could support the claim that the Fort Hood shooting would be regarded as NOBLE by Muhammad himself? What teaching in the Koran was the guy who killed 13 and wounded 30 at Fort Hood in line with exactly? In the Koran we read: “Take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus does He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.” (al-An’am 6:151). Was Nidal Malik Hasan in line with what Allah says in the Koran: “Nor take life – which Allah has made sacred – except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand Qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the law)” (al-Isra’ 17:33). Dr. Hasan should have known that according to the Koran, killing any person without a just cause is as big a sin as killing the whole humanity and saving the life of one person is as good deed as saving the whole humanity (al-Ma’idah 5:32). Perhaps the rest of us should be aware of that too.
The guy who shot Tiller was not in line with the teachings of the Bible. But the Bible is full of passages like this: “When the LORD your God brings you into the land where you are entering to possess it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you. And when the LORD your God delivers them before you and you defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them (Deutronomy 7:1-2).
Steve pointed out that most members of religions do not know what their holy books say. Most Christians unaware that even in the New Testament we read the following statement attributed to Jesus saying to his disciples: “I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence (Luke 19:26-27).
What are we to make of these passages in the Bible? Christian apologists would tell us we should read these verses in their textual and historical context. As Chris C. pointed out above it’s the same thing with the Koran. There are some passages in the Koran similar to the examples I used from the Bible but nowhere are there any verses that give free permission to kill anyone anywhere at any time.
If we say that Islam is NOT a peaceful religion then we would have to say that it’s only in the last couple centuries that Christianity has been a relatively peaceful religion. We would have to say that for most of its existence Christianity has been a bloodthirsty and violent religion. I don’t think it is religions themselves that are not peaceful. I think it’s the literalists within both of these religions that are dangerous; people who have never been introduced to the possibility, let alone virtue of questioning their own religious beliefs. That describes Scott Roeder and Nidal Malik Hasan.
John I looked at the thread “How Should Christians Respond To The Murder Of “Tiller the Killer” June 1st. 2009 as you suggested. I read a few interesting comments but beginning on June 2nd. I had to weed through posts about the monetary system and the “coming economic collapse,” the banking system, Alan Greenspan and the Federal Reserve, the dollar, gold and the gold standard and so on. I started reading through some of the other older threads and no matter the subject on most of the ones I looked at I saw the same kind of posts along with gloomy predictions about the economy that as yet have shown no signs of materializing. But yeah, thanks, some of the comments pertaining to the subject of the thread were interesting.
Mike did you notice the heading of this thread? It says: “The Fort Hood Shooter: Crazy Terrorist or Good Muslim?” What I did was make a post that was a parody of the heading of this thread. I violated no laws of anything, exhibited no faulty thinking, made no suggestions or ridiculous claims. At most I asked a question. I did this to initiate discussion on the subject after I listened to a few interviews with people who knew Dr. Nasan.
You based your argument on a false premise and using deductive reasoning came to an incorrect conclusion. Deductive reasoning is both simple and certain, thus its seductive power for people who haven’t been taught the art of critical thinking. The classic example is: All men are mortal. Socrates is a man. Therefore, Socrates is mortal. If the premise is true (All men are mortal) then the conclusion is true. Absolutely. Problems, if any, are not in the structure of such an argument (which is logically valid), but in the truth of its premises. Religion is a field of knowledge that is based on deductive reasoning. If the revealed premises are true, all else logically follows. And if a religion’s premises are accepted on faith, as they must be, then that’s the whole deal. No doubts, no worries, absolutely.
You say there is no evidence that Tiller’s killer acted out of a Christian worldview. There is and plenty much of it in his own words. Scott Roeder posted this on Operation Rescue’s site:
Scott Roeder Says:
May 19th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
Bleass everyone for attending and praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death camp.
Using inductive reasoning which lies at the heart of the scientific method, by which numerous factual observations are synthesized into descriptive laws of nature and explanatory theories, we can gather enough evidence to show that Scott Roeder did indeed act out of a Christian worldview, however distorted. This method of reasoning is sometimes criticized because, unlike deduction, its conclusions aren’t logically certain. But the great virtue of science’s being based on inductive reasoning is that it’s always grounded in verifiable reality. Deductive reasoning is used as a tool for testing the results of inductive reasoning. Got that? Deduction is only a tool of science; it’s not the whole game.
Unlike religion the inductive reasoning used in science doesn’t deal in certainty. This is source of your revulsion when confronted with the teachings of science. Some people want certainty all the time, no matter what. And although science has a remarkable record of success, it will never deliver the comforting certainty that such people find only in religion.
It’s good to hear from you again Chris C.[smile].
How are your classes coming along?
Fairly well, John, thanks. Im really busy but have been lurking around the site in my free time. Im actually taking a course that studies the Qur’an as literature and it has been quite enlightening.
Well!
I’m gladdened to hear that things are running smoothly for you[smile]. I can only imagine how busy you must be. My life is so laid back these days that it’s too easy for me to not always comprehend how little free time and how much frustration and responsibility fill so many peoples lives all the time.
I lurk here too, like an old Large Mouthed Bass hidden within the Eel Grass, and every show topic and added post is like a Golden Shiner or Blue Gill swimming past my hungry eyes.
I never took any study courses on the Qur’an[although it is something I should probably look into someday]but I do have a copy of it for reference and because of my interest in different theological belief systems.
Perhaps Steve Noble will return so we can debate with him on the topic.
Happy Veterans Day, everyone.