Buy Online, No RX (Prescription) Required! » Buy Jungle Burn Without Prescription http://www.truthtalklive.com/2009/11/05/has-modern-day-christianity-scared-the-hell-out-of-us/ Today’s Issues, From a Biblical Perspective! Sun, 11 Dec 2011 04:57:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 Buy Online, No RX (Prescription) Required! » Buy Jungle Burn Without Prescription http://www.truthtalklive.com/2009/11/05/has-modern-day-christianity-scared-the-hell-out-of-us/#comment-29240 MattF Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:20:09 +0000 http://www.truthtalklive.com/?p=3483#comment-29240 Ben Maulis: <i>All of the scriptures you cited show that God succeeds in spite of the adversaries that transgress him. They do not show that death is a good thing, but that God is good in spite of death.</i> Sure. I don't disagree with what you say; this just seems a bit more subtle than I had first surmised. It's not often that one of God's enemies is described as precious in God's sight, as the Psalmist describes death. But then, God's picture of the actions of things, even the actions of His enemies, is much deeper and more subtle than our own. Ben Maulis: All of the scriptures you cited show that God succeeds in spite of the adversaries that transgress him. They do not show that death is a good thing, but that God is good in spite of death.

Sure. I don’t disagree with what you say; this just seems a bit more subtle than I had first surmised. It’s not often that one of God’s enemies is described as precious in God’s sight, as the Psalmist describes death. But then, God’s picture of the actions of things, even the actions of His enemies, is much deeper and more subtle than our own.

]]> Buy Online, No RX (Prescription) Required! » Buy Jungle Burn Without Prescription http://www.truthtalklive.com/2009/11/05/has-modern-day-christianity-scared-the-hell-out-of-us/#comment-29236 Ben Maulis Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:22:35 +0000 http://www.truthtalklive.com/?p=3483#comment-29236 So when Jesus says we will never die (John 11:26), and that we shall not perish (John 3:16) it does not mean we won't put off our "tabernacles" (2 Pet 1:14) and these bodies of death (Romans 7:24), but that in the repentance he calls for from all men everywhere (Acts 17:30), all that the Father has given him will come to him and the one who comes to him he will in no wise cast out, but of all that he has given him he will lose nothing and he will raise them up at the last day. "This is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day." (John 6) Now the curious part is that Jesus revealed that he is the last day. When Martha expected Lazarus to be raised later, Jesus said, "I am the resurrection and the life." In the first creation, God rested on the 7th day. The last day is the day of rest. Yet there remaineth a rest that we must enter into (Hebrews 4:9). That rest is Christ. He is the beginning of the new creation and the end. He is not just the way, but also the truth and the life. There was none before him, there will be none after him, and besides him there is no other. He is the rest and the Sabbath of the people of God, but many would make a "paradise" of mammon into our rest and our end. Our destination is none other than what Christ called his Father's house (John 14:2 and 14:6). This is not heaven. God is in heaven. He is also on the earth but neither contain him. Heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God (1 Kings 8:27, 2 Ch 2:6). So what is the Father's house? Christ said, "the Father [is] in me, and I in him." (John 10:38, 14:10-11, 20, John 17:21). "For of him, and through him, and to him, [are] all things: to whom [be] glory for ever. Amen." Romans 11:36 So when Jesus says we will never die (John 11:26), and that we shall not perish (John 3:16) it does not mean we won’t put off our “tabernacles” (2 Pet 1:14) and these bodies of death (Romans 7:24), but that in the repentance he calls for from all men everywhere (Acts 17:30), all that the Father has given him will come to him and the one who comes to him he will in no wise cast out, but of all that he has given him he will lose nothing and he will raise them up at the last day. “This is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6)

Now the curious part is that Jesus revealed that he is the last day. When Martha expected Lazarus to be raised later, Jesus said, “I am the resurrection and the life.” In the first creation, God rested on the 7th day. The last day is the day of rest. Yet there remaineth a rest that we must enter into (Hebrews 4:9). That rest is Christ. He is the beginning of the new creation and the end. He is not just the way, but also the truth and the life. There was none before him, there will be none after him, and besides him there is no other. He is the rest and the Sabbath of the people of God, but many would make a “paradise” of mammon into our rest and our end. Our destination is none other than what Christ called his Father’s house (John 14:2 and 14:6). This is not heaven. God is in heaven. He is also on the earth but neither contain him. Heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God (1 Kings 8:27, 2 Ch 2:6). So what is the Father’s house? Christ said, “the Father [is] in me, and I in him.” (John 10:38, 14:10-11, 20, John 17:21). “For of him, and through him, and to him, [are] all things: to whom [be] glory for ever. Amen.” Romans 11:36

]]> Buy Online, No RX (Prescription) Required! » Buy Jungle Burn Without Prescription http://www.truthtalklive.com/2009/11/05/has-modern-day-christianity-scared-the-hell-out-of-us/#comment-29235 Ben Maulis Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:50:30 +0000 http://www.truthtalklive.com/?p=3483#comment-29235 I forgot to mention the second part of God's will that not any perish... but rather that all come to repentance... that repentance (which is not the godly sorrow that leads to repentance) but which is the turning toward Christ by the reconciliation afforded by his act on the cross, that repentance is also part of the fulfillment of things concerning which I mentioned his subduing (1 Cor 15:28), reconciliation (Col 1:20) and turning away of ungodliness (Romans 11:26). God wills that all come to repentance. In light of this, we have to separate the putting off of this body of death, the temporary state the saints endure while we await the resurrection, from the sore punishment that awaits the adversaries. When the time appointed by God comes for each of us to put off this body of death, it is indeed a good riddance. Remember that Christ said, "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life." God responds to the putting off of the flesh with victory by giving us a incorruptible spritual body in exchange for the corrupted flesh. That's the Resurrection! I forgot to mention the second part of God’s will that not any perish… but rather that all come to repentance… that repentance (which is not the godly sorrow that leads to repentance) but which is the turning toward Christ by the reconciliation afforded by his act on the cross, that repentance is also part of the fulfillment of things concerning which I mentioned his subduing (1 Cor 15:28), reconciliation (Col 1:20) and turning away of ungodliness (Romans 11:26). God wills that all come to repentance.

In light of this, we have to separate the putting off of this body of death, the temporary state the saints endure while we await the resurrection, from the sore punishment that awaits the adversaries. When the time appointed by God comes for each of us to put off this body of death, it is indeed a good riddance. Remember that Christ said, “It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.” God responds to the putting off of the flesh with victory by giving us a incorruptible spritual body in exchange for the corrupted flesh. That’s the Resurrection!

]]> Buy Online, No RX (Prescription) Required! » Buy Jungle Burn Without Prescription http://www.truthtalklive.com/2009/11/05/has-modern-day-christianity-scared-the-hell-out-of-us/#comment-29234 Ben Maulis Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:34:42 +0000 http://www.truthtalklive.com/?p=3483#comment-29234 The adversary (1 Peter 5:8), Satan, who is the devil (Rev. 12:9, 20:2), had the power of death (Hebrews 2:15). Christ came to destroy him (Hebrews 2:15) and his works (1 John 3:8). The sting or power of death is sin (1 Cor. 15:56) because the wages of sin is death and indeed, "thou shalt surely die." Sin is transgression of the law (1 John 3:4) and the strength of sin is the law (1 Cor. 15:56). When the scripture says that death is an enemy, it does not mean that death succeeds in resisting God's will. All of the scriptures you cited show that God succeeds in spite of the adversaries that transgress him. They do not show that death is a good thing, but that God is good in spite of death. Death is manifested in Genesis 3:19 and corrupted man barred from the Tree of Life in 3:22 so that he would not live corrupted forever but death would put an end or limit to his corruption (Gen 6:3). God is not willing that any perish (2 Pet. 3:9) but before he can put down death, he must subdue all things (1 Cor 15:28), reconcile all things (Col 1:20), and turn away all ungodliness from Jacob (Romans 11:26). "Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father." Therefore to say that death is an enemy of God does not mean that death defeats the purposes of God, but rather that God will overcome his adversaries. In the end, death receives the same treatment as all the adversaries of God. Death and Hell are cast into the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels. Death will be there with all the other adversaries whose names are not written in the Lamb's book of LIFE. The adversary (1 Peter 5:8), Satan, who is the devil (Rev. 12:9, 20:2), had the power of death (Hebrews 2:15). Christ came to destroy him (Hebrews 2:15) and his works (1 John 3:8). The sting or power of death is sin (1 Cor. 15:56) because the wages of sin is death and indeed, “thou shalt surely die.” Sin is transgression of the law (1 John 3:4) and the strength of sin is the law (1 Cor. 15:56). When the scripture says that death is an enemy, it does not mean that death succeeds in resisting God’s will. All of the scriptures you cited show that God succeeds in spite of the adversaries that transgress him. They do not show that death is a good thing, but that God is good in spite of death. Death is manifested in Genesis 3:19 and corrupted man barred from the Tree of Life in 3:22 so that he would not live corrupted forever but death would put an end or limit to his corruption (Gen 6:3). God is not willing that any perish (2 Pet. 3:9) but before he can put down death, he must subdue all things (1 Cor 15:28), reconcile all things (Col 1:20), and turn away all ungodliness from Jacob (Romans 11:26). “Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.”

Therefore to say that death is an enemy of God does not mean that death defeats the purposes of God, but rather that God will overcome his adversaries. In the end, death receives the same treatment as all the adversaries of God. Death and Hell are cast into the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels. Death will be there with all the other adversaries whose names are not written in the Lamb’s book of LIFE.

]]> Buy Online, No RX (Prescription) Required! » Buy Jungle Burn Without Prescription http://www.truthtalklive.com/2009/11/05/has-modern-day-christianity-scared-the-hell-out-of-us/#comment-29233 MattF Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:57:53 +0000 http://www.truthtalklive.com/?p=3483#comment-29233 ben Maulis: <i>The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death. 1 Cor. 15:26</i> Excellent response. :) So how, then, do you propose that we understand these passages in the greater context of all of Scripture? If death is the enemy of God, then why is He shown to be its agent more than anyone else in the Bible? Why is it sometimes mentioned as a <b>positive</b> thing? ben Maulis: The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death. 1 Cor. 15:26

Excellent response. :)

So how, then, do you propose that we understand these passages in the greater context of all of Scripture? If death is the enemy of God, then why is He shown to be its agent more than anyone else in the Bible? Why is it sometimes mentioned as a positive thing?

]]> Buy Online, No RX (Prescription) Required! » Buy Jungle Burn Without Prescription http://www.truthtalklive.com/2009/11/05/has-modern-day-christianity-scared-the-hell-out-of-us/#comment-29232 ben Maulis Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:47:07 +0000 http://www.truthtalklive.com/?p=3483#comment-29232 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death. 1 Cor. 15:26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death. 1 Cor. 15:26

]]> Buy Online, No RX (Prescription) Required! » Buy Jungle Burn Without Prescription http://www.truthtalklive.com/2009/11/05/has-modern-day-christianity-scared-the-hell-out-of-us/#comment-29230 MattF Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:20:47 +0000 http://www.truthtalklive.com/?p=3483#comment-29230 ben Maulis: <i>Death is an enemy and an adversary of God.</i> [...] <i>A popular form of Christianity, even so-called orthodoxy, presents a dilemma of heaven or hell destinies whereby death, the enemy of God, is glorified as the channel by which man attains heaven.</i> Um, what? Are you asserting that death is the <b>enemy</b> of God? The why is God Himself implicated as the agent of death [e.g., Genesis 3:21; Genesis 7; Exodus 23:18; Job 38:39, 41; Pslam 10:4:21, 25, 27; Luke 12:24]? Why is it mentioned as a good thing in Scripture [e.g., Psalm 116:15; Romans 14:8; Philippians 1:21, 23; Revelation 14:13]? Death is certainly used as the judgment of sin in mankind, and as a way to limit his wickedness. One must not confuse the means whereby God judges evil as an evil in itself, or consider it inimical to God. ben Maulis: Death is an enemy and an adversary of God. [...] A popular form of Christianity, even so-called orthodoxy, presents a dilemma of heaven or hell destinies whereby death, the enemy of God, is glorified as the channel by which man attains heaven.

Um, what? Are you asserting that death is the enemy of God?

The why is God Himself implicated as the agent of death [e.g., Genesis 3:21; Genesis 7; Exodus 23:18; Job 38:39, 41; Pslam 10:4:21, 25, 27; Luke 12:24]? Why is it mentioned as a good thing in Scripture [e.g., Psalm 116:15; Romans 14:8; Philippians 1:21, 23; Revelation 14:13]?

Death is certainly used as the judgment of sin in mankind, and as a way to limit his wickedness. One must not confuse the means whereby God judges evil as an evil in itself, or consider it inimical to God.

]]> Buy Online, No RX (Prescription) Required! » Buy Jungle Burn Without Prescription http://www.truthtalklive.com/2009/11/05/has-modern-day-christianity-scared-the-hell-out-of-us/#comment-29228 ben Maulis Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:03:39 +0000 http://www.truthtalklive.com/?p=3483#comment-29228 It is a fact that hell will be emptied. That is the truth of the bible, and not Jehovah's Witnesses, falsely so-called, who lie and tell not the truth. Death and Hell are condemned. Jesus asked, "How shall ye escape the condemnation of hell?" Hell is not the condemnation. The condemnation of hell is the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels. It is the condemnation of the adversaries. Death is an enemy and an adversary of God. Death and hell shall give up the dead that are in them, and death and hell shall be condemned to the lake of fire. Jesus never spoke of hell as the eternal destiny of the condemned. He spoke of "ghenna" which is translated hell FIRE. It is a fire, not a hell. The condemned will be in the fire WITH hell, not in hell. The confusion of hell with the lake of fire, second death, and everlasting destruction (notice that it is everlasting and not a one-time annihilation) is just as common as the confusion of heaven with everlasting life. Eternal life is Jesus Christ and not heaven which shall pass away. A popular form of Christianity, even so-called orthodoxy, presents a dilemma of heaven or hell destinies whereby death, the enemy of God, is glorified as the channel by which man attains heaven. They say, "Are you going to heaven when you die?" But Jesus said, "He who believes in me will never die." John 3:16 utterly defies those who would say we die and go to heaven. They are liars who have changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the corruptible creation which God has said he will change like a dirty shirt. They do so to peddle a paradise of the imagination of men's hearts to their proselytes, but God is not mocked. It is a fact that hell will be emptied. That is the truth of the bible, and not Jehovah’s Witnesses, falsely so-called, who lie and tell not the truth. Death and Hell are condemned. Jesus asked, “How shall ye escape the condemnation of hell?” Hell is not the condemnation. The condemnation of hell is the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels. It is the condemnation of the adversaries. Death is an enemy and an adversary of God. Death and hell shall give up the dead that are in them, and death and hell shall be condemned to the lake of fire. Jesus never spoke of hell as the eternal destiny of the condemned. He spoke of “ghenna” which is translated hell FIRE. It is a fire, not a hell. The condemned will be in the fire WITH hell, not in hell.

The confusion of hell with the lake of fire, second death, and everlasting destruction (notice that it is everlasting and not a one-time annihilation) is just as common as the confusion of heaven with everlasting life. Eternal life is Jesus Christ and not heaven which shall pass away.

A popular form of Christianity, even so-called orthodoxy, presents a dilemma of heaven or hell destinies whereby death, the enemy of God, is glorified as the channel by which man attains heaven. They say, “Are you going to heaven when you die?” But Jesus said, “He who believes in me will never die.” John 3:16 utterly defies those who would say we die and go to heaven. They are liars who have changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the corruptible creation which God has said he will change like a dirty shirt. They do so to peddle a paradise of the imagination of men’s hearts to their proselytes, but God is not mocked.

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Ehhhh, kinda. You’ll just have to watch the movie and decide for yourself[smile].

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